Showing posts with label prostitutes. Show all posts
Showing posts with label prostitutes. Show all posts

Wednesday, June 8, 2011

Whore

Lum made a point about a real world-virtual world disconnect for some men leading them to treat women in Second Life like a controllable game construct and then there were the handful of men in the survey about utilizing the services of prostitutes who clearly had attitudes dehumanizing women including that old and extreme view that it is "impossible to rape a whore."

Some men in Second Life will treat a woman who frequently indulges in sex in Second Life as a "whore," not just the "whore" of the titillating bedroom dirty talk, not the "whore" of the escort clubs where women trade sex for Lindens, but as a societal "whore," who, through her actions, or the quantity of them, telegraphs to some men, and women, a message that she is no longer a woman making choices, but a creature for use by any and all. This is not specific to a virtual world. There are girls in real world colleges, high schools, and God help us, junior highs and middle schools, who find themselves in a situation with a male saying something like, "well you're giving it away to everyone else, so why not me?" before being assaulted.

There's a story making the rounds at SLU and SC MKII about an 11-year-old girl who may have been used for sex by as many 18 - 28 men for three days over a period of three months in an abandoned trailer. The girl has been criticized by some people in the community for being promiscuous and dressing and acting provocatively and for having a consensual part in what happened to her, and now, because they have been caught (a video again, natch), what will happen to the men involved.

There is, obviously, a HUGE difference between an 11-year-old girl being so horribly used in real life and a 43-year-old woman playing cybersex games on the internet, I know that and how, but I would argue that there is a common strain between the attitudes of some people surrounding both situations, an attitude shared by both genders.


p.s.
As with Nadia, I wanted to jump through the TV screen and go get this girl and intervene on her behalf. I see that she has been removed from her home and put into foster care. Another tragic and heart-breaking case.


Repost. LeeHere Absent, Mar 10, 2011  http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/thats-what-she-said.772/page-25#post-33829

Don Mill, Male Avatar, On Cybering

I will start apologizing for the next few disconnected statements that came to mind after reading the last few pages of this thread. Having dozed off for less than 3 hours in a plane does wonders to my brain.

On cybering and the how-to:

I seem to be a person that can do it under two different scenarios. The most normal to me is to cyber with women that I am emotional related as a way of extending our relationship. These are the cases in which cybering becomes much more than texting and jumping into poseballs.

The second scenario, for me, has to do with the enjoyment of the roleplaying part of the cybering. It is never a means to seek " release" but rather a conversation that moves around the description of erotic and sexual actions.

This second scenario is also much more text based than the first one. The first one sometimes include voice and/or video.

How-to... I think that Lee has gone in greater detail about the "do" and "don't" lists for a "successful" encounter. I will only add or emphasize that being concerned on whatever the partner or partners wants is a must. That is the result of good communication, which many times we do not take the time to share.

One thing that, for me, is a complete turn-off is reading the other person define how I am feeling at a certain time. While I can understand the idea of "I caress your leg and feel your skin reacting to my touch", I can not swallow the "I stand behind you and suddenly, you start feeling a rush of heat starting on your neck and going all the way down to your feet, your eyes showing the lust you feel for my strong pinky finger is overwhelming". I consider the play a creation of two parties, and as such I expect reactions to the actions anyone takes.

On buying sex and prostitution:

First a disclaimer: I have never paid a prostitute to have sex. I believe that has to do with the concept that for me a successful sexual encounter is one in which my partner is fully satisfied. Until recently, I was under the assumption that prostitutes did not really enjoyed the practice of sex.

Over the last few years it came to my mind the idea of hiring a prostitute to see what was all the fuzz about. My whys are more related to the idea of being able to do something that I do not normally do than anything else.

Let's also consider that sex is still a social taboo, going to a prostitute is consider by some people the confirmation of one's inability to get sex thru "normal" means.

Anyway... I am more relationship oriented than casual, although I enjoy a lot a good flirt.













Thank you for your post, Don. I enjoyed reading it. This bit below particularly stood out to me as something that should be highlighted on that list of cyber do's and don'ts. Telling someone else how they feel in text. Telling someone how they feel at all, for that matter, but especially in text during a cybersex roleplay. It's a "don't." I've discovered during my cybertravels that this is a significant part of "cybersex roleplay etiquette 101." A major point for many people. Don't tell someone how they feel, let them do that.
no godmodding and no bunnying.


Reposts. Bulldick!, Mar 6, 2011 http://gotvirtual.net/community/threads/thats-what-she-said.772/page-22#post-31447

Why Men Use Prostitutes

This is a January 2010 article about why men pay to have sex with prostitutes:



The reasons why many men pay for sex are revealed in the interviews that make up a major new piece of research

One of the most interesting lines in the article:
God, what a tangled web we weave in this complex society of ours.
The article goes on to say that a couple of men in the survey said that the only way to end prostitution would be to "kill all the girls" or "lock up" all the men. Most acknowledge that hard-core real-life consequences like public exposure, monetary penalties and jail time would put a pretty big damper on prostitution. One thing that would not, however, would be knowledge that the working girls were participating under duress. But that's real life, right? Everyone in Second Life is making a proactive, premeditated, consensual choice, yes? Second Life is a relatively guilt-free environment, no?
*emphasis added
There are 335 comments to that article, including these:
And a man citing Freakonomics and the benefit of pimps.

And an otherwise content escort sick of hearing about the dark and extreme end of her chosen profession.








From the survey report itself:

Actually, funnily enough, that's one of the points of the survey I mentioned (and posted the link) about how some men assumed satisfaction on the part of the prostitute and how some other men resented it.



I hear ya.


Another interesting part of that survey, brought to mind by your comment about "THAT guy," is that some men admitted to lying to their friends about their experiences with prostitutes, either falsely telling other men they'd had sex with a prostitute without her demanding payment or trying to pass off an attractive prostitute as a real-life girlfriend.


Yes, and I'm struck by how many people, man or woman, will sometimes, maybe even often, feel depressed afterwards.






LOL

We've got some tales of female egos running rampant too.



I see a lot of this dynamic in Second Life. A lot.


Orfeu said:  I like the phrase." A judgment free friendship"
For many men...sex is the premier gateway to intimacy.
What is Intimacy. ???Why do we crave it.???
I once heard it described...as wanting to see....and be seen.Hmm could be something in that I guess.

A witness that I am alive...that I was here...that someone touched me...and that I touched someone's life.
Plausible ???

That's what some people say about marriage (and LTR-commitment). It's making sure you have a witness to your life. 

Attention Whores

Some men do cum and go. And I love them for it. Some men will intentionally forgo a climax, because while what they want is to have sex with you, they also want to keep your attention for much longer than a cybersex quickie. Some will be quite forthright about this and some will be more evasive, passive and tricky about it. "Attention whore" is a meme for a reason. A lot of people crave attention more than the physical release of an orgasm.

Cue comments about Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs in an Immersionist world or, conversely, the old saying about men paying prostitutes to leave.